That was in America (2017) which is what youre referring to. As the full-powered Demiurge, he casually removes Mother from existence, who is an extremely powerful matter manipulator, and removes everyone from the pocket dimension into the main universe. Here, at the summit of this system, the Source and Demiurge (material realm) coexist via the process of henosis. With the combined focus of Magneto and Speed, he was able to locate the Scarlet Witch, who was presumably dead. So youre attempts to try and debunk his multiversal status arent gonna work. When the Scarlet Witch used her powers to recreate the world after the House of M event, she inadvertently recreated both William and Thomas as well. You need to read the story again. [8] This self-reflection of the indeterminate vitality was referred to by Plotinus as the "Demiurge" or creator. Billy Kaplan on Tumblr - #wiccan But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths. During their search, Wiccan and Speed openly referred to the Scarlet Witch as their mother and to one another as brothers. The impossible son of a witch and a synthezoid, Billy Kaplan was always going to be powerful, but Young Avengers - from writer Kieron Gillen and mainstay artist Jamie Mckelvie - revealed that Wiccan is actually the Demiurge, a force of life and magic who, when he comes of age, will redefine the rules of magic and become functionally omnipotent. Superhero Class. However the utopian parallel was still created by the demiurge. Didnt this Raven end her universe? 2, it is revealed by Loki that Wiccan is destined to ascend to a god-like reality warper who will rewrite the rules of magic known as the Demiurge. The blasphemous falsity of the Gnostic claim to control the higher powers by magic and the absurdity of their claim to cure diseases by casting out demons (ch. Billy of the Young Avengers, son of the Scarlet Witch and brother to Speed and that's pretty cool, also I'm gay. Plotinus argues of the disconnect or great barrier that is created between the nous or mind's noumenon (see Heraclitus) and the material world (phenomenon) by believing the material world is evil. The false other-worldliness of the Gnostics leads to immorality (ch. All you do is scream the same thing over and over contradicting yourself. In that series, Wanda and Vision conceive twin sons. As the Demiurge, Billy is destined to "rewrite the laws of magic" in the universe, meaning that he is a being of power on a massive scale. In Battle of the Atom, a future version of the X-Men was depicted operating out of the Jean Grey School. True Parents. Wiccan was greatly convinced that their connection to the Scarlet Witch was evident, though Tommy was more skeptical. At full maturity, a Demiurge is stronger than any Nephalem, including one sired by an Arch-angel/demon and can use their unique powers to kill them with ease except not when one is using its true potential. The majority of scholars tend[51] to understand Plotinus' opponents as being a Gnostic sectcertainly (specifically Sethian), several such groups were present in Alexandria and elsewhere about the Mediterranean during Plotinus' lifetime. And what else has the oh so overhyped Demiurge done? Of the entire team of YA Lite, only Enchantress and Coat of Arms (who had been tested by her old acquaintance, Tommy, aka Speed) were asked to join the Young Avengers. The two work out their problems, and their love is able to save the universe. Quispel[who?] In Pistis Sophia, Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments (pp. New Music Friday: The best releases out on March 3 : All Songs Considered 6). Billy experiments with some names, adopting the name Demiurge, but later reverts back to Wiccan. Loki convinces Wiccan to temporarily give him some of his powers, and Wiccan agrees, seeing no other choice. "For, in sum, a part of their doctrine comes from Plato; all the novelties through which they seek to establish a philosophy of their own have been picked up outside of the truth." The story isnt finished yet and theres multiple things pertaining her previous origin to even consider this an actual sound recton. This is the one in Future State right? 1618).". The true doctrine of Soul (ch. Of note here is that while Plotinus' student Porphyry names Christianity specifically in Porphyry's own works, and Plotinus is to have been a known associate of the Christian Origen, none of Plotinus' works mention Christ or Christianitywhereas Plotinus specifically addresses his target in the Enneads as the Gnostics. Soon after, Billy married his longtime boyfriend, Hulking, however, their new life is briefly interrupted when Hulking takes his rightful place as the king of a Kree and Skrull alliance. This link to Judeo-Christian tradition leads to a further comparison with Satan. Gnosticism attributed falsehood or evil to the concept of the Demiurge or creator, though in some Gnostic traditions the creator is from a fallen, ignorant, or lesserrather than evilperspective, such as that of Valentinius. Whereas Plato's Demiurge is good wishing good on his creation, Gnosticism contends that the Demiurge is not only the originator of evil but is evil as well. Hippolytus claims that Simon used a similar description.[30]. [10] In this, he claimed to reveal Plato's true meaning: a doctrine he learned from Platonic tradition that did not appear outside the academy or in Plato's text. I do believe unkindness best feat was eating the multiverse, Demi Wiccan has ascended the multiverse and time. Billy gave up his superhero career, being mostly grounded by his parents who urged him to register. The Super-Skrull revealed to Teddy that he was "Dorrek VIII" the rightful heir to the Skrull Empire. Prodigy contacts the younger members of the X-Men at the Jean Grey School, and word gets around quickly. New Music Friday: The best releases out on March 3 : All Songs Considered The best albums out this week include Kali Uchis' Red Moon in Venus, a self-titled joint from the Jamaican American artist . [49] In the ninth tractate of the second of his Enneads, Plotinus criticizes his opponents for their appropriation of ideas from Plato: From Plato come their punishments, their rivers of the underworld and the changing from body to body; as for the plurality they assert in the Intellectual Realmthe Authentic Existent, the Intellectual-Principle, the Second Creator and the Soulall this is taken over from the Timaeus. Dude The Unkindness negs I can break this down if you want, and I talked too both authors . People need to get over the fact that they potrayed it as him standing on the comic panels. This type of spellcasting has its flaws obviously. You just said yourself the universe he destroyed was fixed by time travel, so not beyond time or reality or time travel would not affect it. Wiccan quite literally became the cosmos from within Mother's dimension, able to flip through time and reality as if they were comic book panels. Both Jarvis and the Hulk tried to sway them from taking such measures, but they refused, and unwittingly unleashed Kluh - the Hulk's Hulk. But it is only the name that can be said to be specially Valentinian; the personage intended by it corresponds more or less closely with the Yaldabaoth of the Ophites, the great Archon of Basilides, the Elohim of Justinus, etc. When Norman Osborn invaded Asgard with his army of superpowered beings and H.A.M.M.E.R. In the future, Wiccan will become the Demiurge, a singular multidimensional Messiah, according to Loki. Until 1974 etymologies deriving from the unattested Aramaic: , romanized: bhth supposedly meaning 'chaos' represented the majority view. Billy's issues escalated as he grew older and entered high school where his differences became the source of endless torment and violence. Do you read what you are writing? After defeating Mr. Hyde, Patriot admitted that he had not inherited his grandfather's Super Soldier abilities and promptly quit the Young Avengers. (ch. Doctor Strange has also claimed that Wiccan has the potential to be the next Sorcerer Supreme. After a possessed Scarlet Witch and Doctor Doom cast the Inversion spell again, the "evil" heroes reverted to their heroic selves, and the trapped Avengers were freed. You will notice in the following scans that it takes him around 2-3 chants for the spell to fully activate. The team is quickly defeated even after the team of Initiative recruits arrive. The devil resides in this lower world, of which he is the prince, the Demiurge in the heavens; his mother Sophia in the middle region, above the heavens and below the Pleroma.[45]. Wiccan (Character) - Comic Vine @j2111: It's a twitter post by Kieron Gillen look it up yourself. A. H. Armstrong identified the so-called "Gnostics" that Plotinus was attacking as Jewish and Pagan, in his introduction to the tract in his translation of the Enneads. Robert Reynolds, aka Sentry, descended into the room, prepared to tear the YA apart. The earliest Gnostic sects ascribe the work of creation to angels, some of them using the same passage in Genesis. Something to note is that Wiccan didn't know where he was teleporting to, so the spell probably just teleported him to safety. Is Wiccan THE Demiurge? : Marvel - reddit Wiccan can rewrite the rules of magic across all realities. He has received some form of training from Loki during his time in the Young Avengers. Billy was impressed with the magical capabilities of Sylvie Lushton, aka Enchantress. My guyThat scan literally from said comic book run America:Made in the USA (2021) provided nothing of the sort to prove that the utopian parallel was recton at least not yet. Billy scoffed at her advice and told her maybe if he had powers like her he could. Demiurge - Wikipedia Hence that did contradict it. The Cathars held that the creator of the world, Satanael, had usurped the name of God, but that he had subsequently been unmasked and told that he was not really God."[48]. As the Demiurge, Wiccan completely eradicated Mother and every threat she had created in Young Avengers #13 by Kieron Gillen and Jamie McKelvie. A massive spell cast by Billy brought in evil clones of the Young Avengers that distracted Mother and allowed their remaining teammates and the rest of the team to escape again, but Mother added the clones to her army.Wiccan quit the Young Avengers after that, convinced, through a manipulative suggestion of Loki's, that Wiccan and Hulkling were In this future, he is the Sorcerer Supreme. [28][43] In this most common form of Gnosticism the Demiurge had an inferior though not intrinsically evil function in the universe as the head of the animal, or psychic world. Meaning as he stands now his best feat is destroying a universe in 20 years despite being bloodlusted. The Demiurge belongs to the second kind, as he was the offspring of a union of Achamoth with matter. Wanda vs Wiccan powers comparison question : r/Marvel - reddit @stahlflamme: is this demiurge( wiccan) isn't the same old demiurge? He called a large meeting, inviting everyone who'd ever held Avengers membership to join him in the Tower. In this act of separate creation, she gave birth to the monstrous Demiurge and, being ashamed of her deed, wrapped him in a cloud and created a throne for him within it. The "One" is further separated into spheres of intelligence; the first and superior sphere is objects of thought, while the latter sphere is the domain of thought. Wiccan (Billy Kaplan) 4-Star Rarity (Legendary) Heroes, Young Avengers, Team Cap. He has to say the action he wants to happen in order for the spell to be cast. 09:51 Andrew Stets ft. Soncesvit - Gutsul. 2. A bit desperate too. This sudden outburst of powers worries the Avengers, who think that it may lead to Wiccan having a mental breakdown similar to that of the Scarlet Witch. Wiccan was created by Allan Heinberg and Jim Cheung. The villain was specifically stated to be after the Demiurge abilities and to finally have them at full power when he destroyed one universe and seemingly himself along with it. The Super-Skrull noted that Wiccan seemed to have inherited the Scarlet Witch's magical and reality-warping abilities while Tommy has those of her twin brother, Quicksilver. On Earth-91172, a world ravaged by the Hulk, Wiccan is a member of the Next Wave of Heroes - the last heroes of earth. His origin make it possible that Wiccan is both a mage and mutant. Demiurge Wiccan has more impressive feats. During a trap laid by Iron Man and the pro-registration heroes, in which they planned to immediately take out the resistance's teleporters - Cloak & Wiccan - Wiccan was captured and sent to the N-Zone prison for his involvement with the underground Avengers. It was during this time that Iron Lad's future self, Kang the Conqueror arrived to bring Iron Lad back to the future and convince him to accept his destiny. Billy Kaplan, also known by his superhero alias Wiccan and formerly Asgardian, is a super-powered warlock and the reincarnated son of the Scarlet Witch. In others, including the teaching of Valentinus, the demiurge is simply ignorant or misguided. He is blind to all that is spiritual, but he is king over the other two provinces. He should curb here. In the arch-dualist ideology of the various Gnostic systems, the material universe is evil, while the non-material world is good. Soncesvit - Bulawa (Aerofoil Remix) 25:59 The Faino - Arkan Thus the real Hulkling (disguised as the Super-Skrull) was able to stay on Earth. The ending panel for issue 3 is, Chavez "sister" revealing more people like her and America created by replicating America's mom's experiments. The Demiurge who created the elder gods is not even the same entity, as the writer who came up with this nonsense for Wiccan confirmed, the great old ones that pic talks about appear to be the many-angled-ones, who are not even the same as earths elder gods created by the demiurge and again get over the fact that it shows him with comic panels, that has happened with lesser characters, what he actually does in that scan is wipe out one being from another dimension mostly powered by Billys standard powers and transport a bunch of fodder back through the portal they were right next to. The word demiurge is an English word derived from demiurgus, a Latinised form of the Greek or dmiurgs. Unhappy about this, Billy uses a location spell to find the team, and the real Young Avengers confront the false ones. Vision confirmed the story of the twins. The battle culminated with Iron Lad killing Kang which altered the past and present. Last edited on 26 February 2023, at 15:49, introducing citations to additional sources, Learn how and when to remove this template message, Against the Gnostics; or, Against Those that Affirm the Creator of the Cosmos and the Cosmos Itself to be Evil, International Society for Neoplatonic Studies, Dark Mirrors of Heaven: Gnostic Cosmogony, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Demiurge&oldid=1141744969, This page was last edited on 26 February 2023, at 15:49. 2, it is revealed by Loki that Wiccan is destined to ascend to a god-like reality warper who will rewrite the rules of magic known as the Demiurge. William Kaplan | Comic Superpowers Wiki | Fandom Its existence was never retconned. 13). Under the name of Nebro (rebel), Yaldabaoth is called an angel in the apocryphal Gospel of Judas. As a Kree, Hulkling was to be enlisted in the Kree army, by force if necessary. Through magic, he is strong enough to clobber Loki. Christos Evangeliou has contended[52] that Plotinus' opponents might be better described as simply "Christian Gnostics", arguing that several of Plotinus' criticisms are as applicable to orthodox Christian doctrine as well. "Matter is therefore a non-existent"; Plotinus, "Apocryphon of John," translation by Frederik Wisse in. The user is able to perform/cast a rare variety of magic spells and feats that manipulates reality itself to various degrees. The work of Plotinus and other later Platonists in the 3rd century AD to further clarify the Demiurge is known as Neoplatonism. So don't act like I'm the one lacking information here. Lol @ "universal" demiurge wiccan. Youre trying to use something that yet to be finished or explained. Billy Kaplan is a Young Avenger and later found out that he and Speed are the Scarlet Witch's formerly dead twin sons. When Loki teleports away, seemingly abandoning the team, Wiccan sees no choice but to kill himself in order to end his spell, but is saved by Loki's return. During this battle, Billy revealed his ability to cast spells where he had previously limited himself to lightning projection and flight due to his inexperience. Level 2: While Wiccan has Mystical Destiny, he will transform into the Demiurge if you have at least 8 AP in all colors. At the consummation of all things, all light will return to the Pleroma. Raven as the unkindness absorbed infinite planes, timelines, multiverse, gods etc Point blank, "the author confirmed on Twitter that the transformation lightning of the Wizard couldn't even harm the Unkindness, it's basically unstoppable and it's implied that Adam needs to travel back in time to prevent Raven from getting these powers. Billy and Teddy began to battle the Wrecking Crew, warning them against disgracing this sacred space. This process takes no more than a few hours and we'll A second? 45). The Demiurge, having received a portion of power from his mother, sets about a work of creation in unconscious imitation of the superior Pleromatic realm: He frames the seven heavens, as well as all material and animal things, according to forms furnished by his mother; working, however, blindly and ignorant even of the existence of the mother who is the source of all his energy. [28][42] And as Achamoth herself was only the daughter of Sopha the last of the thirty Aeons, the Demiurge was distant by many emanations from the Propatr, or Supreme God. 07:49AM The Latin translation, confirmed by Hippolytus of Rome,[24] makes Irenaeus state that according to Cerinthus (who shows Ebionite influence), creation was made by a power quite separate from the Supreme God and ignorant of him. . Teleports an entire prisoner van to a secure SHIELD location. That arc was about him being possessed by octopus-cthulu, who basically broke . The one also in Immortal Wonder Woman? As Wiccan, he joined the Young Avengers and learned he was the reincarnated son of Scarlet Witch and Vision. After three months in exile, Wiccan and the team are approached by the former X-Man and mutant Prodigy, who tells them that Speed, Wiccan's twin brother, was kidnapped by a mysterious figure wearing a Patriot uniform. During this time, Billy attempted to tell his parents that he was a superhero, only to accidentally come out to them. Completely knocks out the Wrecking Crew. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The ordering principle is twofold; there is a principle known as the Demiurge, and there is the Soul of the All; the appellation "Zeus" is sometimes applied to the Demiurge and sometimes to the principle conducting the universe. So what he can one day maybe make a universe in how much time and at what cost? But the devil, as being a spirit of wickedness, is able to recognise the higher spiritual world, of which his maker the Demiurge, who is only animal, has no real knowledge. He briefly achieves this form, and is able to view the past, present and future, as well as freely alter the universe. Wiccan and the Young Avengers fought alongside the New Avengers to end the conflict. Not even remotely correct. on 01/09/22 The utopian parallel was said to be created by and I quote the very breath of demiurge stated by America herself multiple times. Billy and the other Young Avengers were then confronted by Iron Man, Captain America, and Jessica Jones who disapproved of their unsanctioned vigilantism. Recognizing the Runaways under attack by registration agents on a monitoring screen, the Young Avengers set out to assist them and convince them to join the anti-registration side. After these events, Captain America ordered the Young Avengers to disband. The team agrees to look for Speed and they use Miss America's interdimensional powers to find him. send you an email once approved. Unwillingly, Wiccan's spell to bring back Hulkling's mother has brought back the parents of multiple heroes, including Ms. America's. 07:17 Serge Udalin - Witch. The word dmiurgos properly describes his relation to the material; he is the father of that which is animal like himself.[15]. Wiccan discovered that he and the newest recruit, a youth with super speed by the name of Tommy Shepard, were identical in appearance. Coat of Arms refused to leave her team, but Enchantress graciously accepted. Acts as a safeguard while the Scarlet Witch and Doom try to access the Earth's Life Force, which is what gave HoM Wanda her powers. [44] According to one variant of the Valentinian system, the Demiurge is also the maker, out of the appropriate substance, of an order of spiritual beings, the devil, the prince of this world, and his angels. 'wisdom'), the Demiurge's mother and partial aspect of the divine Pleroma or "Fullness," desired to create something apart from the divine totality, without the receipt of divine assent. During this time, the Super-Skrull stated his belief that Billy and Tommy's similarities in appearance and powers indicated that they were the twin sons of the Scarlet Witch and the Vision. He seems to also ignore chanting spells when he's angry or extremely emotional. Level 3: While Wiccan has the Power of the Demiurge, all of his matches will destroy their row or column. The Demiurge will rewrite the rules of magic and all the implications of that decision will echo forward and backward across all realities. The writers confirmed Raven's level of power on Twitter when I asked them! He also is vitally important in Avengers: Children's Crusade (which is more or less an unofficial volume of . In school, he met a tremendous amount of hate and fear because he was different. His brother Tommy, who was a trained sorcerer, assisted the Avengers and the two fought each other until their father the Vision intercepted and destroyed Ultron, ending the battle. He is currently engaged to Teddy Altman, aka Hulkling. Transforms himself into the Scarlet Witch, Conjures up clothes in order to look like a prison guard, Gives Kid Loki a teenage body, making Loki even stronger, Undoes the Enchantress' transformation spell. Realizing how hard Hulkling's life has been, Wiccan decides to do something to make it up to him, and finds an alterate universe's version of his Hulkling's mother, saving her before her death. Generally though, I'd agree with the take that trying to compare the power of two nebulously defined reality warpers is a bit silly. Wiccan continued as a member of the Young Avengers (now including Tommy as "Speed") until the events of Civil War and the Superhero Registration Act forced the team to go underground as part of Captain America's anti-registration team of superheroes. Doctor Strange has also claimed that Wiccan has the potential to be the next Sorcerer Supreme. Plotinus' form of Platonic idealism is to treat the Demiurge, nous, as the contemplative faculty (ergon) within man which orders the force (dynamis) into conscious reality. Loki's hand is revealed, and Billy is locked in battle with Mother. @j2111: Yeah, I've seen all that before. Later on, he started using magic and could perform all kinds of spells. "[47], Catharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism. Billy and his boyfriend Teddy were among those gathered at the meeting. The latest Tweets from Billy Kaplan (@Wiccan_Demiurge). [28], Yaldabaoth is frequently called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides, and is said to have the body of a serpent. He recognizes that the Scarlet Witch may not be ready to be found and feels that he is happy enough with his present life. The false team, dubbed Young Avengers Lite by Billy, states their intention to continue to fight crime. However, strange things begin to occur with the children, who rapidly age from infancy to school age through unknown means. The Young Avengers managed to escape to Billy's household. hansfenton123 @killianduclark: Thats not even remotely debunking anything. He and Teddy decided to work with her, and took her out on a training mission against Hydra squadrons. Refutation of objections from the inequalities and injustices of human life (ch. He has received some form of training from Loki during his time in the Young Avengers, so he may take less time to cast his spells and have better control. Wiccan, Speed, and Hulkling team up with Xavin and the Runaways to defeat the Super-Skrulls that are sent to assassinate Hulkling. The Young Avengers decide to give the newbies a chance, and announce that they will host try-outs, where each Lite member will be teamed up with one or more Young Avengers. William "Billy" Kaplan, Wiccan. What Was Marvel's Mother - and How Did It Nearly Destroy the - CBR Demiurge. WandaVision: 10 Things Only Comics Fans Know About Wiccan - ScreenRant 9). Magic/Reality-Warping: Billy's main power is the superhuman ability to manipulate reality at will, enabling him to tap into the universe's store of magical energies, which he inherited from his spiritual mother the Scarlet Witch. I don't know why people saying he is multiversel, etc. The team was split up, running rescue missions, relief missions, and interference across Asgard. He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame, and half darkness. He started out in the Young Avengers with the code name Asgardian, using only lightning powers. The Runaways rebuked their offer, but joined together when Karolina Dean, the Skrull Xavin, Hulkling and Wiccan were captured by agents of a secret alien-observation base called The Cube. Having no other choice, Wiccan and the team decide to leave New York. Christ, in reality, is the Son of the Good God. You're like one of those Supes Prime One Million fanboys. His parents openly accepted his sexuality and welcomed Teddy as a member of their family. Demiurge. John D. Turner, professor of religious studies at the University of Nebraska, and famed translator and editor of the Nag Hammadi library, stated[55] that the text Plotinus and his students read was Sethian Gnosticism, which predates Christianity. The two sides clashed until the battle was ended by Captain America's realization that their position was being fought in a manner that only endangered more citizens. Demiurge Wiccan has more impressive feats. 78). He was angry here so there were no spell chants. The Valentinian theory elaborates that from Achamoth (he kt sopha or lower wisdom) three kinds of substance take their origin, the spiritual (pneumatiko), the animal (psychiko) and the material (hyliko). Not to mention the fact that he as the demiurge was drawn by America in said Made in a USA comic run before Catalina showed up. We've seen it done by far lesser characters. Wiccan (real name William "Billy" Kaplan) is a comic book character, a member of the Young Avengers, a team of teenage superheroes in the Marvel Universe. With a thought, he puts a group of bad guys in a coma. Meaning his feats are still the destruction of mother, the destruction of a universe over the course of 20 years and useless hype statements that everyone here has, @killianduclark: agreed. He is married to Hulkling. Wiccan doesn't have sufficient control over his powers to fully utilize the Demiurge's powers. (@ultraphoenix), https://twitter.com/spacekicker/status/1364588644032421889. The Super-Skrull killed Hulkling's foster mother and captured Hulkling to his ship to take him back to the Skrull Empire. In the Apocryphon of John c.AD 120180, the demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself: Now the archon ["ruler"] who is weak has three names. Sam Wilson and his newly Inverted Avengers shrunk all the gathered heroes down using Pym particles extracted from the Wasp (presumably against her will) and trapped them all in one of Hank Pym's microscopic ant farms, thereby taking care of the "liability". Shards: The Shards are the fragments of Primordial beings and are slightly stronger than any Demiurge. While being attacked, Billy's powers manifested for the first time. It was here that Billy revealed to Teddy that Norse myths have always had a special meaning for him because his father used to read them to him at night. Thus Sophia's power becomes enclosed within the material forms of humanity, themselves entrapped within the material universe: the goal of Gnostic movements was typically the awakening of this spark, which permitted a return by the subject to the superior, non-material realities which were its primal source.