Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. Quickshift Tyre Services - - WorldPlaces Former. Living Dangerously in Govan by James McDonald. Now home to a business park, the Wineywas a working class scheme designed by urban planners with little to no regard for those cut from the labouring class cloth. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. I was born in 23 McGregor Street Teucharhill in 1962 and remember my mum waiting until the last minute and getting a lift to the polling station, promising to vote for whichever party candidate provided the transport (aye right) still though when the 70s arrived I would have voted for the blonde wummin shouting through a megaphone at the end of the street even though I'd no idea what she was on about or what party she represented, she was a bit of a belter called Margo MacDonald. Full of great memories. I was pretty sad when I left Govan and leaving my family was devastating to me. I went to St Anthony's then St Gerard's and was there at the same time as Billy Connolly though he is a year older than me. Someone took me to the Orkney Street Police Station. My Granny lived at 60 Greenfield Street next to Mrs Knox's wee shop. In the Wine Alley, I loved the people more than anything. It is now an industrial estate. Before leaving the area in 1975, Damer sent in his report on Moorepark to the Housing Manager of the Corporation of Glasgow where he attacked the Corporation for failing to do its job in managing and maintaining both the houses and the environment in Moorepark. That is why this Reflection will critically examine the Moorepark experience (within the context of community planning) from before Darners time to the 1970s and the present, where it will question if there have been any real changes in attitudes between then and today or worse, are the same mistakes being repeated, and is proven good work being ignored? The above digital stories were made by members of Govan Reminiscence Group for the Heritage Lottery funded Britain From Above Community Project in Govan, Glasgow, during Spring 2014. My gran lived upstairs at 12 Water row. I screamed blue murder, he wanted to pull my pants down, but no way I letting him do that to me. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. The origins of the Doomster Hill are a mystery. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! Govan and Fisher, former NBA player and current head coach for the Los Angeles Sparks, got married on Saturday at Cielo Farms in Malibu, California. 14 Riverside Changes, 2005, p. 1 The area was originally a country estate which contained a mansion house, Moore Park, which was built in the early 19th century for the Hagart family, to plans prepared by the architect David Hamilton. Glasgow Braendam Link is a Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in Scotland, No. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! Govan Memories | Reminiscences We engraved pet medallions and Jackie let me do it because I had nice handwriting. Then the area - close to Rangers home at Ibrox - had a reputation for deprivation and poverty having been built in the 1930s to relieve overcrowding in the Gorbals. Tel: 0141 440 1999, Fax: 0141 440 1367 , Acumfaegovan born and brought up on Langlands Road with my sisters Susan and Elaine Wilson by my wonderful parents Vera and Bill Wilson. [14] in 1901 the Burgh boundaries increased further west to include Linthouse and West Drumoyne. My mother and grandfather raised me alongside my two sisters and three brothers and various in-laws who moved in and out of the home through the years. Further, that by becoming involved in social, political, and economic activities, the community of any area can organise itself in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power is real. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard I remember on Sunday mornings being taken with my sister, Elizabeth, on a No. The man caught in the earlier operation with 50,000 of drugs in Helen Street was given six years. The layout suited their operations as there were only two ways in and out - making it easy to spot the police. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Wine Quality 4/4. I used to visit your Mum and Dad. I remember a little dog who was hit by a car and people brought him straight in to us. Don't think I enjoyed my time at Govan High, who did but I remember the english teacher Johnny Duncan, Jock Reiburn (maths), who was strict but gave me a good basic knowledge of algebra which stood me in good stead for my future in engineering. Moorepark, Glasgow - Wikipedia From Rushden we came back to Larbert, then to Lauder. An isolated island of cheap building land, Glasgow Corporation bought the Moorepark land and in 1934 built the Moorepark Housing Estate, a typical Glasgow rehousing scheme of three-storey grey concrete-block tenements. Does anyone remember my dad Iain Campbell and mother Margaret Marshall born 1921 and 1922? One of his best customers was a former police officer who had been thrown out the force due to his heroin addiction. Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. dealing, drug abuse, and money lending had flourished in a big way since 1975, which only added to the schemes wretchedness. Glasgow undercover cop reveals alter-ego life in 80s drug gang I spent a lot of time at my granny's while growing up I remember we used to get payed for watching the cars when there was a game on at Ibrox. I have no memory just my dad's story. Mother has an excellent memory and I am attempting to write down stories about; the old shops; events streets and everything. Their children's names were John, Michael, Christopher, Bridget and Edward. Good times we had, wonder where they all are now and if they remember me. My Aunt and Uncle Kathleen and Tommy Blacker lived in 6 Rathlin Street, Govan. Besides, authority cannot work without community and vice versa so there has to be a coming together of both sides and a change of thinking by each about how and why things get done if both parties are to do the right thing. Here in the alley, you will find tasting rooms such as Truth Teller Winery, Baer Winery, Ancestry Cellars, Adam's Bench and the office of Woodinville Wine Country. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. I was brought up on Broomloan Road, Ibrox across from Ibrox high flats.the Ibrox house pub was just up road from me as well. Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. Dry Docks Cafe. Creeaz un cont nou. We left govan to go to Drumchapel. My cousins and I thought we should try this. Yup I'll always be from Govan even though we lived a bus ride with the messages away from it in Shieldhall, that was situated near to the 50 pitches, I remember well my Dad and me watching the shipyards football competitions. This work was focused on parent-child. Next thing I know, this policeman appeared, he looked like a giant and he asked me what was I doing. I remember the baths and went there every Friday, I also remember playing in the street and when the coalman came my mum and I would follow him with a pram and pick up any coal that fell of the lorry. I am looking for the name of a barbers shop that was on Langlands Road at Helen street end. I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. Alley & Vine will be ready for outdoor and indoor dining once allowed, but until then, customers can order online or by phone for takeout and curbside pickup. On the other hand, a government that takes no heed of the community at large fails also. Comedian. 3 'Wine Alley', Govan Pop: 10,875 (whole ward) Problems: Mainly drug-related crime. During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! Gloria Govan and Derek Fisher are Married! | Lipstick Alley "I like to be challenged and Govan did that every day.". Young Young Winey (Govan) (G51) (Moorpark) 'Republican Wine Alley' [15], With Morris Pollok as its first Provost, the Burgh and its Commissioners ensured that during the next 48 years Govan became a well-equipped, modern town. The Version table provides details related to the release that this issue/RFE will be addressed. Resources were stretched as detectives dealt with high levels of violence including murder - much of it drug related. Claire Fitzpatrick - I wonder if your Mary is one of our family? It was absolutely awesome growing up in Govan, lots of shops, such as; Galbraiths, Dands Bobby's, David's butchers, BrotherSoft paper shop, modern book shop, and Woolworths, we had a great wee doctors surgery on Langlands Road, Peacocks bakery, Nicholls store and Amey's cafe. A Victor Harbor businessman is forging ahead with bold plans for a $350m marina, apartment, hotel and convention centre project near The Bluff, despite the local council opposing major development . Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? Years ago Govan was a brilliant shopping place. See more of Sunny Govan Memories on Facebook. Portrait of a Lady by Esme Clark. You never forget these things, but what great days and what character building it was. Where was this democratic, progressive authority when it built the shambolic Gorbals tower block scheme? It meant that the police had two key surveillance points, one in Wine Alley itself and a second from the high-rise. During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. A list of almost 3000 ships built at Govan has been collected in the "Clydebuilt Database". Again, where were the democratic, caring authorities when the 1987-1990 Glasgow Housing Condition Survey found that in a third of the citys houses suffered from condensation, dampness and mould and did little about it? 7285 Hedgerose Drive, Cumming, GA, 30028 PropertyShark Would love to get in touch with any old pals for the era 1965-1976. I agreed and the result is the Report, which you now have today which is meant for the October 17th World Poverty Day. Poor health and low-levels of educational qualifications are offered as secondary parts of the equation. Somehow the government cannot understand that external improvements can only benefit any dilapidated area by not only improving its external image but also by giving the local residents a sense of Well-Being. Thus, Damer saw that this decision of loading more of the socially deprived into an existing deprived area, only added to Mooreparks growing problems of joblessness, poverty, depression, drunkenness and crime. Community organisation. Interest. Listing details information provided by Stephen Redding. I married in Glasgow, Scotland in 1974 and emigrated to Canada that same year, I have lived in Canada ever since. I went to St.Anthonys then St.Gerards, great days, I went back in the 70s and hardly recognized anything, even the people were different, if anybody has any info. NGR Description Centred NS55416 65081. I went to St Gerard's and I loved the kids there they were poor but happy. It was a them and us attitude that persisted right up until the Wine Alley was demolished in the late 1990s. Gran was Annie Murphy but her dad died when she was 4 and her mother remarried John Johnston and went on to have a huge number of children - and as we research the family, we keep finding more. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. The planning process commonly involves the juggling of conflicting interests in such a fashion that it is agreeable to all interested parties at least, no one side has to sacrifice itself unjustly. Janet Logan (Williamson) I remember your family. In his 2008 memoir Chasing Killers he reflected on his time on the Southside. See more of Sunny Govan Memories on Facebook. People lived with the inconsistency in the records. You have to take the responsibility for some of that.''. Only a few years into it, faults like dampness had begun to appear in the tower blocks of the Laurieston/ Gorbals project, which rapidly turned into a disaster area. There existed a hospital in the area, and as quasi-religious foundations were not taxed, it had never been assigned to a sheriffdom. 99m New Cafe India Govan . I was wondering if anyone had any information on the McSherry family? Community planning began in the rapidly industrialising 19th century cities of Great Britain and America where reformers and well-wishers wanted to ameliorate the appalling living conditions of the working classes. Creeaz un cont nou. [25], Govan was at one point the centre of the world-renowned Clydeside shipbuilding industry. 5 Smith, 1992, p. 4 Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. Through the ages people have lived in houses, building them according to the climate, topography, the material available, and the social and cultural ideas of the time. I guess I drifted away from Govan for some time although I watched it contract as the shipyard industry faded and that was until my interest was aroused as the company I was working for took up new premisis near the Southern General as it was then. We lived in Linthouse at that time, and then we moved to Shaw Street in Govan. Introduction In reply to these petitions, the Scottish Parliament wrote to Glasgow City Council and to Scottish Enterprise Glasgow, asking for their responses to the submission and within 4 months, Glasgow Council had taken steps to set up the Central Govan Action Plan.16 He also allowed naval officers in training to visit the shipyard to familiarise themselves with the new vessels. My parents lived at 49 Nethan Street and I was born at the Southern General in 1939. Very happy days. He had a broken leg, but we cuddled and comforted him until someone with a car was found, hours later, to get him to the vets. Moore Park (Glasgow University Library, Special Collections, Dougan Collection, 1870), OS 25 inch Scotland, 1892-1905 (Moore Park), "Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate", Gender and Political Identities in Scotland, 1919-1939, Ian Jack: Problem Families (review of 'From Moorepark to Wine Alley: The Rise and Fall of a Glasgow Housing Scheme' by Sean Damer), Debate: Housing and Local Government (Scotland), Poverty, deprivation and development in working class communities, Photo of Benburb F.C. My maternal grandmother Mary Agnes McDermott and her family came to Govan from Ireland in the early 1900's. I lived in Kintra Street from 1946 until 1960 and went to Broomloan Road school then Govan High. Does anyone remember; Sophie, Robert; and Mary,who lived in Carmichael Street, Govan 1936? This settlement was set aside on 20 December 1621, and only the patronage of Govan was left to the University. He had a kilt on and a curly walking stick. Although we were all poor, I knew that I could go to any door, ask for a piece, and get it. My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! Also used to go for a bath there even though we had a bath at home. And I went to see Grease at The Liceum on Govan Road. My dad was Boaby Rodgers he got knocked down and killed when I was 3 in 1964 and my mum was left a widow with 4 wee girls. So, at the age of 46 I started three years of studies with projects that involved Govan Initiative and Glasgow University until I was finally accepted as a full-time student at Glasgow. Media/news company. Govan was a wonderful place to start on life's trails. When Damer returned to the area in 1989 he found that his earlier report had had two outcomes. VINE ALLEY BISTRO - 31 Photos & 13 Reviews - 114 Market St - Yelp ZinAlley Winery - California Winery Advisor In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. 2 Interest. Clyde News. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). Third, the importance of housing management services such as concierge or neighbourhood warden duties are understated in the document, and they are not considered as playing a core public service in the maintenance and upkeep of the areas they service.10 [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. Nostalgic 3w Siobhan McCrone Joseph McCrone Going down the pyramids on a bread crate all good till ur fingers caught underneath 7 4w 1 Reply At the end of his stay in the housing scheme Damer wrote a report on the area entitled From Moorepark to Wine Alley in what was a damning indictment of officialdom for its arrogant neglect of Moorepark and the people who lived there. 10 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 91 My Aunt Marg & Uncle Jack Johnstone had the paper shop on Govan Road. Wall furniture and coverings, clothing, beds and bedding, carpets and furniture were badly affected by fungi while many of the inhabitants suffered physical illnesses related to the damp atmosphere, financial anguish at the cost of replacement and (in some cases), mental problems brought on by the worry caused by the above problems in the first place! I went to Greenfield then Govan High left school in 1975 and worked in Govan shipyard canteen my mates wee Calum McLean, Brian Lavoury, Billy Cameron, Tam Reid, Jim Reynolds and Stephen Gourley now living in England. JEFF TORRINGTON Singing: No, No, Yuppie, Yuppie NO! This was the catalyst that led local Govanites into despising the peoph of Moorepark, and considering them as different and alien. I went about with Harry Bitters, Nick Shearer and John McLeod in the mad days of the early 70s. It brought tears to our eyes as they have destroyed a lot of the buildings that should have been refurbished. In early 1989 police discovered a team of young drug dealers were operating in Wine Alley, led by older man Eddie Burnside. He also had a shop in Govan Road and he lived at 31 (I think) Copland Road, his name was Robert Reid and he had 2 daughters, Jane my mother and her sister Molly who lived for years in Merryland Street before it was pulled down. Above is a quote from a seasoned Timfrom the unfairly labelled Wine Alley (Moorpark) area, once of greater Govan, just off Broomloan Road. You can make a complaint by using the report this post link . I worked in Fairfields in the seventies, does anyone remember the name of the bike shop at the Linthouse end beside the roundabout. In its turn, this attitude helped create the malignant tales about people who lived there as being nothing but thieves, layabouts and drunks. Read More Then there was the shake the blanket with my older sisters and friends my turn wasn't coming fast enough so as usual I was whining so they gave me my turn and shake the blanket shake the blanket 1-2-3 they lifted me in the air and let the blanket go results bleeding nose and they all got a right telling off. Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. I was born 1944, lived 3 up in 52 Wanlock Street, right across from the little swing park and Fairfields Shipbuilders and right next to the Govan Ferry. Does anyone remember Reid the baker who was in Neptune Street around about the 1950s? Know your enemy. Dry Docks Cafe. Such developments benefit the aesthetic and connective appeal of the Govan area for future visitors. If I could I would have bought many! I met him at our place of employment. Click on the Bus route to see step by step directions with maps, line arrival times and updated time schedules. I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. It has taken Govan many years to heal and the spare grounds and scars are all nearly gone. Yet, there is still much to show that community power is not only real but can work effectively.