[, : Thank you. I see equality as a space for creating differences and yes, why not, even different more appropriate hierarchies. [3], During an event at the Cambridge Union in November 2018, iek stated that Peterson used "pseudo-scientific[4] evidence" (3:40). Aspen Ideas Festival: From the Barricades of the Culture Wars Transcript Transcripts 2018-09-25T15:05:00-04:00. It was in this opening argument that Zizek effectively won the debate to the extent it was a debate at all. Ideology, Logos & Belief with Transliminal Media . [1][10][11] The debate was also broadcast on Croatian Radiotelevision the following week. Peterson and iek represent a basic fact of intellectual life in the twenty-first century: we are defined by our enemies. The paper contains a close reading of the Manifesto. I cannot but notice the irony of how Peterson and I, the participants in this duel of the century, are both marginalised by the official academic community. You can find a transcript of it here. The Peterson-iek encounter was the ultra-rare case of a debate in 2019 that was perhaps too civil. Let me mention the change enacted by Christianity. Debate is a process that involves formal discourse on a particular topic, often including a moderator and audience. The Zizek-Peterson Debate In early 2019, after the occasional potshot at one another, it was announced that iek would debate Jordan Peterson in Toronto. So, I agree that human life of freedom and dignity does not consist just in searching for happiness, no matter how much we spiritualise it, or in the effort to actualise our inner potentials. The lesson of todays terrorism is that if there is a god then everything even blowing up hundreds of innocent bystanders is permitted to those who claim to act directly on behalf of god. [15], Several publications, such as Current Affairs, The Guardian and Jacobin, criticized Peterson for being uninformed on Marxism and seemingly ill-prepared for the debate. They were making in the usual way, but the cheese got rotten and infected, smelling bad, and they said, oh my god, look, we have our own original French cheese. The Petersoniek debate, officially titled Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism, was a debate between the Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson (a clinical psychologist and critic of Marxism) and the Slovenian philosopher Slavoj iek (a psychoanalyst and Hegelian) on the relationship between Marxism, capitalism, and happiness. [7], Peterson said he could meet "any time, any place"[1][4][8] to debate and it was announced on 28 February 2019 that the debate was scheduled for 19 April 2019. He couldnt believe it. In the 1920s many Germans experienced their situation as a confused mess. And Peterson agreed with him: It is not obvious to me that we can solve the problems that confront us. They are both self-described radical pessimists, about people and the world. Happiness is a confused notion, basically it relies on the subjects inability or unreadiness to fully confront the consequences of his / her / their desire. It is todays capitalism that equalizers us too much and causes the loss of many talents. Boston 24/7 with principal mcafee Below is the transcript of zizek's introductory statement. Peterson noted at the outset that he'd set a personal milestone: StubHub tickets to the debate were going for more money than Maple Leafs playoff ticketsa big deal in Toronto. iek and Peterson met in Toronto on Friday. I'd say this reminds me a lot of what I've seen from him The paper contains a long digression about all the reasons the Soviet Union was terrible. This is why as many perspicuous philosophers clearly saw, evil is profoundly spiritual, in some sense more spiritual than goodness. Slavoj Zizek said that religion can make good people do horrible things. Credits for this section should go to the hard work of Xiao Ouyang and Shunji Ukai //, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rUhYdqB2Jh7CU5Le0XgktKaoXQmnTdbv0-_kE5BQL6Q/edit?usp=sharing, Thank you so much for this, I had trouble understanding Zizek's pronunciation of the book on Christ's Atheism on the cross. Original reporting and incisive analysis, direct from the Guardian every morning. I will correct more when I get more time but I need to get back to work. And I also think this may be critical to some of you there is a problem with capitalism here for the simple reasons that its managers not because of their evil nature, but thats the logic of capitalism care to extend self-reproduction and environmental consequences are simply not part of the game. of the Century" was overhyped (overmarketed, really), and seemed poorly prepared I encourage you to watch the video or read the transcript Im far from a simple social constructionism here. Competencies for what? Other than that, multiple commentators (one, two) pointed that the "Debate or a similar conservation organization. Learn how your comment data is processed. thank you! The mere dumb presence of the celebrities on the stage mattered vastly more than anything they said, naturally. So, what about the balance equality and hierarchy? The controversial thinkers debated happiness, capitalism and Marxism in Toronto. Remember Pauls words from Galatians There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer male and female in Christ. It was full of the stench of burning strawmen. things. No. Pity Jordan Peterson. Posted on August 20, 2021 by David Roman. It didn't help Peterson's case that he came into a debate about Marxism with . When I was younger to give you a critical example there was in Germany with obsession with the dying of forests with predictions that in a couple of decades Europe would be without forests. The wager of democracy is that we should not give all power to competent experts, because precisely Communists in power who, legitimise this rule, by posing as fake experts. They were a vague and not particularly informed (by his own admission) reading of The Communist Manifesto. The twentieth century left was defined by its opposition to the truth fundamental tendencies of modernity: the reign of capital with its aggressive market competition, the authoritarian bureaucratic state power. A French guy gave me this idea, that the origin of many famous French dishes or drinks is that when they wanted to produce a standard piece of food or drink, something went wrong, but then they realised that this failure can be resold as success. By the end of his half-hour he had not mentioned the word happiness once. Although even the Dalai Lama justifies Tibetan Buddhism in Western terms in the full suite of happiness and the avoidance of pain, happiness as a goal of our life is a very problematic notion. A renunciation of pleasure can easily turn in pleasure of renunciation itself. Zizek is particularly culpable here, for "post-modern neo-marxists" and it's strange not to understand or at least know Born in France, Delphine Minoui lived in Tehran for 10 years to understand her grandparents country from the inside. First of all it's much shorter than Peterson Vs Harris. He acknowledged that unrestricted capitalism can cause its own problems and tends to make the rich richer, but to him the poor are also better off financially under such an arrangement. Press J to jump to the feed. iek & Peterson Debate . ", "Snimka dvoboja titana ieka i Petersona", "HRT Je Jedina Televizija U Europi Koja Je Dobila Pravo Prikazati 'Debatu Stoljea': Evo kada moete pogledati filozofski dvoboj iek - Peterson", "Jordan Peterson vs Slavoj iek was more a performance than a debate", "Jordan Peterson i Slavoj iek: Debata stoljea ili precijenjeni show? it's made of many idea nuggets only tenuously linked to one other although Privacy Policy. there is a link, all the more difficult to follow in the spoken form. Peterson is his usual intensely-driven professorial self, which I personally Regarding how the debate was receiving, judging from Twitter and some quick April 20, 2019. SLAVOJ IEK: . The threat of ecological catastrophe, the consequence of new techno-scientific developments, especially in biogenetics, and new forms of apartheid. We will probably slide towards apocalypse, he said. If Peterson was an ill-prepared prof, iek was a columnist stitching together a bunch of 1,000-worders. He is now a, Professor at the Institute of Sociology and Philosophy at the University of Ljubljana, and the Director of, the Birbeck Institute for the Humanities at the University of London. I would like to refer to a classic Daniel Bell, Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism written back in 1976, where the author argues that the unbounded drive of modern capitalism undermines the moral foundations of the original protestant ethics. Never presume that your suffering is in itself proof of your authenticity. Elements of a formal debate. clear these are coherent thoughts from the same thinker. attacking the manifesto isn't perhaps attacking Communism or even Marxism as its Before you say, its a utopia, I will tell you just think about in what way the market already functions today. It's quite interesting, but it's not cordial and respectful, something I really appreciated. A warm welcome to all of you here this evening, both those here in the, theatre in Toronto and those following online. The two professors had both argued before against happiness as something a person should pursue. I can see no threat to free creativity in this program on the contrary, I saw health care and education and so on as enabling me to focus my life on important creative issues. This is how refugees are created. causes (from Donald Trump to migrants). Both rejected happiness as a primary goal for individuals and societies. The great surprise of this debate turned out to be how much in common the old-school Marxist and the Canadian identity politics refusenik had. We are never just instruments of some higher cause. He wandered between the Paleolithic period and small business management, appearing to know as little about the former as the latter. So, here I think I know its provocative to call this a plea for communism, I do it a little bit to provoke things but what is needed is nonetheless in all these fears I claim ecology, digital control, unity of the world a capitalist market which does great things, I admit it, has to be somehow limited, regulated and so on. However, in place of charging a fee and in recognition of the work I put, in, I would strongly ask anybody who found extensive use of it to give a small donation of $5 or more to. ) iek is more or less a Gen X nostalgia act at this point, a living memento from a time when you would sit around the college bar and regale your fellow students about the time you saw that eastern European prof eating a couple of hot dogs in the street. The two generally agreed on. So, how to act? Far from pushing us too far, the Left is gradually losing its ground already for decades. I was surprised (and a bit disappointed) that Peterson didn't seem more White, multi-culturalist liberals embody the lie of identity politics. Globalnews.ca your source for the latest news on presidential debate. Because the left doesn't have its own house in order", "Is 'cultural Marxism' really taking over universities? Rules for Life, as if there were such things. Aquella vez me parecieron ms slidos los argumentos del primero. There was an opportunity. knowledgeable about communism. Peterson: Otherwise, the creative types would sit around and see them again. Peterson retreats into the integrity of character and Judeo-Christian values as he sees them. I mean primarily so called popularly neural-link, the direct link between our brain and digital machines, and then brains among themselves. Such thinking also underpinned Peterson arguing that no matter what social system you build, communism included, power will always fall to a select group. Peterson and Zizek Debate - transcribed by John Li - johnmhli@berkeley.edu - 916 623 5512 - https://chicago.academia.edu/JohnLi - // I used both voice to text software and then a manual read through - there are still plenty of transcription errors I havent caught and corrected (I didnt expect this to come out to be over 20 pages and how Petersons (native speaker of English) has been the harder one to transcribe. They are both concerned with more fundamental. In fact, this was a surprise for many, but both men tended to agree a whole lot, His thoughts on social constructionism vs evolutionary psychology (comparing Then once you factor in the notion that much of Marxism is . My point is that it looked like Peterson wasn't interested in replaying that kind of thing especially, not with Zizek. [22], Der Spiegel concluded that iek won the debate clearly, describing Peterson as "vain enough to show up to an artillery charge with a pocket knife". He said things like Marx thought the proletariat was good and the bourgeoisie was evil. Next point one should stop blaming hedonist egotism for our woes. First, a brief introductory remark. [15], Later in the debate, iek agreed with Peterson's opening analysis and called for regulation and limitation of the market for capitalism to reduce the risk of natural and social disasters. A democracy this logic to the political space in spite of all differences in competence, the ultimate decision should stay with all of us. Slavoj iek, psychoanalytic philosopher, cultural critic, and Hegelian Marxist. Neither can face the reality or the future. towards disaster, maybe some catastrophes can shake us out of our ruts. matters: meaning, truth, freedom. They play the victim as much as their enemies. From todays experience, we should rather speak to Steven Weinbergs claim that while without religion good people would have been doing good things and bad people bad things, only religion can make good people do bad things. The very liberal gaze with demonizes Trump is also evil because it ignores how its own failures opened up the space for Trumps type of patriotic populism. In his turn, the self-proclaimed pessimist Zizek didnt always stick the larger economic topics, and did not want to be called communist. Zizek also pinpointed white liberal multiculturalism as the reason for the Lefts current political woes. He has published more than three, dozen books, many on the most seminal philosophers of the 19th and 20th centuries. increasingly erratic in the rest of the debates. The solution is not for the rich Western countries to receive all immigrants, but somehow to try to change the situation which creates massive waves of immigration, and we are completely in this. The experience that we have of our lives from within, the story we tell ourselves about ourselves, in order to account for what we are doing is and this is what I call ideology fundamentally a lie. My main purpose with this text is not to prove that Marx was right, but rather that Peterson's and Zizek's analysis are shortsighted and yet still give valuable insight about the state of Key Agile Release Train stakeholders, including Business Owners, What can occur as a result of not having an Innovation and Planning Iteration? MeToo is all too often a genuine protest filtered through resentment. With no biogenetic technologies, the creation of a new man, in the literal sense of changing human nature, becomes a realistic prospect. self-reproducing nature, though he points out that communism had this Below is the transcript of Zizek's introductory statement. That snapped him back into his skill set: self-defense. agreement (as well they should, adopting neither deluded far-left or far-right But, according to recent estimates, there are now more forest areas in Europe than one hundred years or fifty years ago. First, of all, the commons of external nature, threatened by pollution, global warming and so on. IQ, Politics, and the Left: A Conversation with Douglas Murray Transcript Nina Paley: Animator Extraordinaire Transcript Aspen Ideas Festival: From the Barricades of the Culture Wars Transcript History and diagnosis transcript dr. Peterson discussing "happiness, capitalism vs. Extracto del debate realizado el 19 04 19 entre el psiclogo clnico y crtico cultural jordan peterson y el filsofo y psicoanalista slavoj . As the debate ostensibly revolved around comparing capitalism to Marxism, Peterson spent the majority of his 30-minute introduction assailing The Communist Manifesto, in fact coming up with 10 reasons against it. Peterson blamed cultural Marxism for phenomena like the movement to respect gender-neutral pronouns which, in his view, undermines freedom of speech. wrote about commons before). of the Soviet Union would be pretty important. He's also quite So, let me begin by bringing together the three notions from the title Happiness, Communism, Capitalism in one exemplary case China today. and our Cookie Notice Peterson's more practically-oriented style also made his arguments a bit more approachable to non-academics. And I must agree. And what about foreign interventions in Iraq and Syria, or by our proxies like Saudi Arabia in Yemen? Studies suggest that meditation can quiet the restless brain. Watching him, I was amazed that anyone had ever taken him seriously enough to hate him. We live in one and the same world which is more and more interconnected. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. your opponent's ideas. But if violence perpetuated in the name of an idea is supposed to disqualify the idea, then more people have died in the name of communism and nationalism than any other idea. Please join. They didnt understand what is happening to them with military defeat, economic crisis, what they perceived as moral decay, and so on. It seems that our countries are run relatively well, but is the mess the so-called rogue countries find themselves in not connected to how we interact with them? opinions), and that the debate was cordial, even mutually admirative at times. squarely throws under the bus as failed. Maybe we should turn around a little bit Marxs famous thesis, in our new century we should say that maybe in the last century we tried all too fast to try the world. Kierkegaard, mine and everybodys favourite theologist, wrote If a child says he will obey his father because his father is a competent and good guy, this is an affront to fathers authority. Some idea make a reappearance, other are newly developed, but it's Tonight, "philosopher" Slavoj iek will debate "psychologist" Jordan Peterson in Toronto, ostensibly on the subject of Capitalism vs. Marxism. Peterson, I was interested to learn they'd have a debate. MICHAEL FEDOROVSKY 1* 1* Investigador Independiente y ensayista. [9], Writing for Current Affairs, Benjamin Studebaker criticized both Peterson and iek, calling the debate "one of the most pathetic displays in the history of intellectuals arguing with each other in public". Deep underwater, temperatures are close to freezing and the pressure is 1,000 times higher than at sea level. El debate entre iek y Peterson se produjo en Toronto, Canad. If you look closely, you will say that state plays today a more important role precisely in the richest capitalist economics. He is a conservative. Therefore they retreat. The Peterson-iek encounter was the ultra-rare case of a debate in 2019 that was perhaps too civil. [, moderator, president of Ralston College, Doctor Stephen Blackwood. On April 19th, at the Sony Centre in Toronto, these two celebrated thinkers (and Big Think contributors) went head to head in a duel promisingly-dubbed Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism. It was billed as a meeting of titans and that it was not. so that ultimately the worst thing that can happen is to get what we meaningful cause beyond the mere struggle for pleasurable survival. Book deals for political prisoners still in jail. Peterson had trapped himself into a zero-sum game, Zizek had opened up a. So, its still yes, biologically conditioned sexuality, but it is if I may use this term transfunctionalised, it becomes a moment of a different cultural logic. Last night, Jordan Peterson and Slavoj iek debated each other at the Sony Centre in Toronto.
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